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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 13:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I received a letter exactly like this from Bank of America on March 27, 2009, and much like the author of this article, I appreciated the actions BofA took to close my account and issue me a new card.  However, I am exceedingly curious about the nature of the compromise (who, what, where, why, when...How?).  I called BofA 11 times to inquire about this information, only to be transferred or have my call dropped.  First, they told me that they did not have the information I was requesting, then they told me that they could not release it due to an ongoing investigation.  I asked who or what entity was investigating this incident, and they thought that saying &quot;the police&quot; would suffice.  I then spoke with a manager named Michael that told me that he was not familiar with any case in which a consumer was able to obtain any of the above information.  I do not want this information so I can cause undue harm to BofA or any third party, however I would like to maintain detailed knowledge of these incidents as an informed and educated consumer with the hope of altering my future spending patterns with the goal of avoiding companies that do not sufficiently protect my personal information.   I have submitted complaints to the Better Business Bureau, the FTC, and Richard Blumenthal, the Attorney General in my state of CT.  We will see what results from these submissions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I received a letter exactly like this from Bank of America on March 27, 2009, and much like the author of this article, I appreciated the actions BofA took to close my account and issue me a new card.  However, I am exceedingly curious about the nature of the compromise (who, what, where, why, when&#8230;How?).  I called BofA 11 times to inquire about this information, only to be transferred or have my call dropped.  First, they told me that they did not have the information I was requesting, then they told me that they could not release it due to an ongoing investigation.  I asked who or what entity was investigating this incident, and they thought that saying &#8220;the police&#8221; would suffice.  I then spoke with a manager named Michael that told me that he was not familiar with any case in which a consumer was able to obtain any of the above information.  I do not want this information so I can cause undue harm to BofA or any third party, however I would like to maintain detailed knowledge of these incidents as an informed and educated consumer with the hope of altering my future spending patterns with the goal of avoiding companies that do not sufficiently protect my personal information.   I have submitted complaints to the Better Business Bureau, the FTC, and Richard Blumenthal, the Attorney General in my state of CT.  We will see what results from these submissions.</p>
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		<title>By: Personal Finance News Carnival Volume 3 &#124; Peak Personal Finance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Personal Finance News Carnival Volume 3 &#124; Peak Personal Finance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 06:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Bryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 01:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got the same letter from BoA today. Funny,  just a couple days ago I checked my account online and the closed credit card number was still there. I checked after reading the card carrier and sure enough, the potentially compromised account number is gone, replaced by the new one. I also received the letter and card on the same day, though the letter was dated March 5.

I have to say BofA did the smart thing in closing the old account and  issuing a new card immediately. I wish they would&#039;ve emailed a notice as well - I did receive my normal &quot;payment has posted&quot; alerts.

However, BofA is the first card company I&#039;ve heard from regarding this and I have several other Visa and MC cards. I&#039;m wondering now if the other banks will take the same actions as BofA.

I&#039;m also curious who the &quot;third party&quot; was and how the &quot;compromise&quot; occurred. 

Fortunately, I have never had a fradulent transaction on any of my credit cards. The closest I ever had was about 15 years ago when they used those dialup Verifone terminals most places, and a shop was having trouble with the machine where the card didn&#039;t seem to go through until the 3rd try. In that case, it was a legitmate mistake though, and the shop gave me no trouble about reporting the error to the card issuer (I only noticed it because the card had a 0 balance to start with and when I checked balance, my available credit was reduced by 3 times the purchase amount).

From these comments, I&#039;d say it&#039;s not really BofA&#039;s responsibility to give you free credit monitoring, but it IS the 3rd party&#039;s responsibility to pay for it, and I think it should be your choice of credit monitoring services.

Companies that handle sensitive financial information (be it credit card, checking account or whatever) HAVE to be held responsible for these things, and they should NEVER get away with just a slap on the wrist (especially in situations like ChoicePoint, where they were using live data in an unauthorised environment).

The sad thing is that some of these are probably inside jobs, and in a large organization it&#039;s very difficult to be sure what everyone&#039;s up to - the micromanagement that would be required results in a hostile workplace, and all of the good employees will move on. You have to have employees you can trust, but then again, you&#039;d be surprised at who might be the thief/spy/etc. (I know I&#039;ve seen people fired for theft at various jobs that I never would&#039;ve suspected.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got the same letter from BoA today. Funny,  just a couple days ago I checked my account online and the closed credit card number was still there. I checked after reading the card carrier and sure enough, the potentially compromised account number is gone, replaced by the new one. I also received the letter and card on the same day, though the letter was dated March 5.</p>
<p>I have to say BofA did the smart thing in closing the old account and  issuing a new card immediately. I wish they would&#8217;ve emailed a notice as well &#8211; I did receive my normal &#8220;payment has posted&#8221; alerts.</p>
<p>However, BofA is the first card company I&#8217;ve heard from regarding this and I have several other Visa and MC cards. I&#8217;m wondering now if the other banks will take the same actions as BofA.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also curious who the &#8220;third party&#8221; was and how the &#8220;compromise&#8221; occurred. </p>
<p>Fortunately, I have never had a fradulent transaction on any of my credit cards. The closest I ever had was about 15 years ago when they used those dialup Verifone terminals most places, and a shop was having trouble with the machine where the card didn&#8217;t seem to go through until the 3rd try. In that case, it was a legitmate mistake though, and the shop gave me no trouble about reporting the error to the card issuer (I only noticed it because the card had a 0 balance to start with and when I checked balance, my available credit was reduced by 3 times the purchase amount).</p>
<p>From these comments, I&#8217;d say it&#8217;s not really BofA&#8217;s responsibility to give you free credit monitoring, but it IS the 3rd party&#8217;s responsibility to pay for it, and I think it should be your choice of credit monitoring services.</p>
<p>Companies that handle sensitive financial information (be it credit card, checking account or whatever) HAVE to be held responsible for these things, and they should NEVER get away with just a slap on the wrist (especially in situations like ChoicePoint, where they were using live data in an unauthorised environment).</p>
<p>The sad thing is that some of these are probably inside jobs, and in a large organization it&#8217;s very difficult to be sure what everyone&#8217;s up to &#8211; the micromanagement that would be required results in a hostile workplace, and all of the good employees will move on. You have to have employees you can trust, but then again, you&#8217;d be surprised at who might be the thief/spy/etc. (I know I&#8217;ve seen people fired for theft at various jobs that I never would&#8217;ve suspected.)</p>
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		<title>By: Money Hacks Carnival #55 - Thank You Edition &#124; Personal Finance Blog by Money Ning</title>
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		<dc:creator>Money Hacks Carnival #55 - Thank You Edition &#124; Personal Finance Blog by Money Ning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 15:14:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I say you call them and make a big deal out of it, go as far as telling them you will cancel the card and go someone else because as you said, essentially they are responsible for that compromised situation, and yet they want you to pay for their slack?

I say you tell them to shove it. :)</description>
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<p>I say you tell them to shove it. <img src='http://moneysmartlife.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Cathy @ Chief Family Officer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cathy @ Chief Family Officer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 03:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got one of those too. My new cards and the heads up letter arrived on the same day, and I opened the new cards first. The letter with those had the standard language, &quot;Thank you for reporting your card lost or stolen&quot; and really freaked me out since I obviously hadn&#039;t done that. I was on hold for 10 minutes before it occurred to me to open the other letter! My husband and I just assumed it was a data breach – there was at least one report within the last few weeks of a major breach so I didn&#039;t really think too much of it. I will, however, pull my credit report in a couple of weeks to be safe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got one of those too. My new cards and the heads up letter arrived on the same day, and I opened the new cards first. The letter with those had the standard language, &#8220;Thank you for reporting your card lost or stolen&#8221; and really freaked me out since I obviously hadn&#8217;t done that. I was on hold for 10 minutes before it occurred to me to open the other letter! My husband and I just assumed it was a data breach – there was at least one report within the last few weeks of a major breach so I didn&#8217;t really think too much of it. I will, however, pull my credit report in a couple of weeks to be safe.</p>
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		<title>By: &#187; Getting Spring Fever and Some Personal Finance Links</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#187; Getting Spring Fever and Some Personal Finance Links</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 03:40:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ckphoto</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 13:18:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was BoA... do something. A friend had her purse stolen, closed her account immediately. Some stupid teller and branch manager still let an obviously forged check get cashed, from the new account. 

Sure, BoA admitted it was their mistake and said the manage will get in trouble, but they let it happen in the first place. They don&#039;t care about you or your money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was BoA&#8230; do something. A friend had her purse stolen, closed her account immediately. Some stupid teller and branch manager still let an obviously forged check get cashed, from the new account. </p>
<p>Sure, BoA admitted it was their mistake and said the manage will get in trouble, but they let it happen in the first place. They don&#8217;t care about you or your money.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 02:54:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben -

I work for a local community bank, and it&#039;s very important for people to know that it is not Bank of America (or any bank&#039;s) fault that your information was compromised.  Millions of cardholders at banks around the country are affected by this.  As their letter that you posted stated and the last comment mentioned, the compromise was with a third party processor --- basically, when you use your credit card, the vendor doesn&#039;t dial directly in to your bank for approval.  A third party processor (NYCE and STAR are somewhat commonly known) handles the transaction in real time, which either approves or denies the request.  The information is later passed on to your bank so that it may be posted to your account (this delay is sometimes evident... memo postings, anyone?).

Banks are not doing a good job of telling customers this because, frankly, it opens them up to lawsuits for blaming the third party processor who is actually responsible (plus it&#039;s confusing to customers).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben -</p>
<p>I work for a local community bank, and it&#8217;s very important for people to know that it is not Bank of America (or any bank&#8217;s) fault that your information was compromised.  Millions of cardholders at banks around the country are affected by this.  As their letter that you posted stated and the last comment mentioned, the compromise was with a third party processor &#8212; basically, when you use your credit card, the vendor doesn&#8217;t dial directly in to your bank for approval.  A third party processor (NYCE and STAR are somewhat commonly known) handles the transaction in real time, which either approves or denies the request.  The information is later passed on to your bank so that it may be posted to your account (this delay is sometimes evident&#8230; memo postings, anyone?).</p>
<p>Banks are not doing a good job of telling customers this because, frankly, it opens them up to lawsuits for blaming the third party processor who is actually responsible (plus it&#8217;s confusing to customers).</p>
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		<title>By: Aggie CO</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aggie CO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 23:15:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben, it doesn&#039;t hurt to call.  But don&#039;t expect BA to voluntarily give you this service for free.  

I recently received a similar letter from my financial institution, after Heartland Payment Systems (which processes my credit card payments) was hacked.  I received a new credit card, but no credit monitoring.  No worries, because I already had it.  I understand that a class action suit has been pressed to get similar help for others whose card info was stolen.

It&#039;s interesting that BA used the phrase &quot;third party location&quot;.  How ... vague.  Was this a Visa?  If so, you may find interesting the article at the following link:

&lt;a&gt;http://lastwatchdog.com/secrecy-shrouds-breach-payment-cards-processor&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben, it doesn&#8217;t hurt to call.  But don&#8217;t expect BA to voluntarily give you this service for free.  </p>
<p>I recently received a similar letter from my financial institution, after Heartland Payment Systems (which processes my credit card payments) was hacked.  I received a new credit card, but no credit monitoring.  No worries, because I already had it.  I understand that a class action suit has been pressed to get similar help for others whose card info was stolen.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s interesting that BA used the phrase &#8220;third party location&#8221;.  How &#8230; vague.  Was this a Visa?  If so, you may find interesting the article at the following link:</p>
<p><a>http://lastwatchdog.com/secrecy-shrouds-breach-payment-cards-processor</a></p>
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